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bertili · 0 points · 0 comments · ayer

This is going so fast! What a time to be on hackernews: July 16th: The "Kimi K3 moment" - China has caught up to Opus! 4 weeks later: GLM 5.3 - Same performance, but cut the amount of parameters and cost to a third! 12 days later: GLM 5.3 Flash - Almost GLM5.3 performance but cut the parameters in half, cut prices to a fifth and serving on Chinese chips!

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bertilihace 22 horas

0 days later: Qwen 3.8 Flash Next: Let's cut GLM 5.3 Flash parmeters in half and active parameters to a third! Chinese models had 94% reduction in parameters (from 2.8T/104B to 180B/6B) in 6 weeks, while staying close to the same quality.

gravypodhace 20 horas

Why are these models able to reduce parameters but keep quality? I know the original intuition was scale data + params = quality but it looks like we have hit an s curve on improvements from pure scaling? Is this just because we are in a memory / data crunch? Are we learning how LLMs learn and effectively training better? Do we have a way to derive the amount of intelligence an LLM will have based on size / training / etc that isn't just brute force ablations?

Alifatiskayer

And don't forget the coolest part, DeepSeek, Qwen, Z.ai and Moonshot have almost caught up while being open about their research and their model weights. We can mostly speculate about OAI and Anthropic models, nothing else, how fun huh?

pkulakayer

What are you guys doing where cost is such a concern? I have a $20 codex subscription and I was able to use it to build a bespoke scheduling website for an acquaintance over three days without even going halfway through my quota. On Sol xhigh. I love hearing about new models, but every time I just don’t know why I should use something worse. I tried some random model on fireworks a week ago, and it immediately went it a thought loop for 10 minutes before I caught it. Blew through most of my $10 for no output. What’s the point, exactly?

skippyboxedheroayer

There is a massive price war going on. All of these Chinese companies are publicly listed and exist outside the hype bubble required to ship Dario's dogshit paper onto the pauper's pension fund.