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How AI text watermarking works

padolsey · 114 points · 86 comments · hace 11 horas · Open original

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wpaschace 10 horas

What's wild (imo) is pretty much everyone I talk to/read from (anecdata) HATES the way claude writes. I see it in the comments on Hacker News, hear about it in discussions with my colleagues, and talk about it with my non tech family. it's over the top bad. now it seems like these quirks will now be enforced in some weird way to meet the watermarking rules?

throwatdem12311hace 10 horas

New job idea: have a human reword/summarize and manually input/transcribe AI output to remove the watermarking. They use “tools” like dictionaries and thesaurus’ in order to sufficiently change the text so that it doesn’t fit within AI distribution anymore. Humans that can write significantly “organic” text will be able to make lucrative careers out of it.

gizmo686hace 9 horas

I could see this being useful in a world with a few AI providers. However, in a world of commodity AI models, can simply use a model from an AI provider that does not watermark. Or download any open source model and run it themselves [0]. The only practical use I can see for this in the world we actually live in is to prevent model collapse. Most people using AI don't care if people training future AI ignore them, so would have no incentive to switch to providers that do not watermark. Of course, this disencetivises all if the pro-social applications of this technology, and risks giving the big providers a monopoly on "known human" data, which has serious antitrust implications. [0] Note that the watermark is not inherent to the model itself, but rather how the model is run. So this teqnique cannot be used by people providing open-weight models. It would need to be used by those actually running the models.

guessmynamehace 10 horas

I almost never copy & paste AI-generated text, I almost always transcribe it by hand, which in turn forces me to read what the LLM generated and gives me the opportunity to replace words as I go. This obviously doesn’t scale, especially if your impact is measured by the number of software features you implement, but for more experienced engineers (Staff, Principal, and above) who are usually evaluated on the success of company-wide initiatives, I think this is the best course of action.

techjamiehace 11 horas

I wonder if this will become a new revenue stream for providers. Want to know if Claude generated some text? There's a free web form you can paste into. Of course, you can also run your own check service if you pay some API fees, and those checks can be a lot more convenient for users since the services can check multiple sources, to whom they are paying for the privilege. Then someone washes the text through a local model that rewords it, the markers are lost, amd they're clear again.